Tell me about Alchemy
I’m not an expert on the subject, but it just involves the interaction of spirit and matter and how to achieve certain spiritual states by manipulating matter in a certain way. I don’t know, I’ve never messed with it myself! [laughs]
Like rock balancing?
Yeah I guess so. The more I think about it the more I think rock balancing is like some sort of mild form of alchemy or something, just what it does to the practitioner; it’s really crazy. Yeah so, I spent a lot of time doing all this research on weird subjects and conspiracy theories and the end of the world and the beginning of the world and however you want to look at it kind of thing. I used to be a lot more uptight than I am now since starting balancing so much, like everyday and all that.
So have you changed at all, internally?
Yeah, definitely. I would say before I started I had a lot more of a mentality that tended to look at the negative side of things and in turn I feel like a lot of that attention would be reflected back into my own life – things like rejection and fear of rejection – that’s just one example. Now I don’t really pay much attention to that kind of thing and I almost feel that in the process of learning how to just flow instead of getting caught up in worries and stuff like that. I don’t know, it’s really developed over the past five years, just the ability to not be attached to anything really.
Sweet. So what’s next?
Good question! Well I quit my warehouse job right at the end of September and I had saved up a bit of money before hand, so I’m kind of living off that, also just exploring my art a little bit more and how to make money with that, possibly – which is kind of a weird concept in itself – just because of the art form. Attaching money to it is kind of an odd thing because it has a really spiritual nature.
Do you think money can be spiritual too?
Well, not exactly. I mean it’s possible for it, I think, not to affect the spiritual part of it. Basically over the last five years I’ve been just kind of building up my – err, I started my website maybe about three years ago, maybe four now. But since then I’ve been just kind of building up an audience on facebook with photo sharing and stuff like that… I’ve lost my train of thought
You were talking about whether money can be gained without it corrupting the art form.
So with money corrupting the art form, I would say I was just beginning to do it and there was a lot of money thrown at me it would be a lot easier for it to corrupt me, in a way, then as it would now. I just think the experience of rock balancing really… I don’t know… it has a way of strengthening spirit in a way. I don’t know how to explain it. I definitely am human and I feel things like greed, but I just feel like through all the meditation involved with rock balance I have really found a point in myself where money can’t really damage that part of me that I have developed over the last five years, if that makes sense; or can’t really infiltrate that part just because its such a fundamental experience of meditation. It’s far beyond any kind of money. What I have found is it seems like a lot of people particularly like my style of doing it, which is why so many people follow my page and website and stuff. I guess that’s mostly just my style, or whatever, but with this whole thing “performing the art” for people, I think there’s definitely money or a livelihood to be made. I’m not exactly looking to be ridiculously rich and not know what to spend it on you know? Of course that would be nice to have that comfort and not have to worry about bills, but my goal is just to be able to live comfortably and keep going with this whole sharing the art, performing, teaching, stuff like that. Yeah, that’s what I want to do.
Have you thought about teaching a class? A rock balancing meditation seminar?
Definitely. I’m actually in the process of talking with people at Naropa [University] who might be interested in working out some kind of workshop type of thing, which would be kind of cool. It’s a good possibility.
Excellent. That sounds great. I’m excited for your future!
Thanks. I don’t think this kind of thing has ever been done before, far as someone trying to make a living off of rock balancing. Well maybe it has, I don’t know, but I haven’t really found anyone who has successfully made a living at doing it. There’s a lot of uncertainty in the equation as far as what’s in the future. I’m running out of money each month paying rent, you know. I’m not making a substantial up-slope income type of thing. I think I have this intuition in the back of my mind through all these different experiences and synchronicities along the way. Even though it’s completely uncertain and there’s a lot of probability that it won’t work out. Even though that’s there I just have this deep down feeling that its going to totally be fine. I can’t explain it, but you know, I think, what I’m talking about.
Yeah. I mean I’m always – I’d say i’ve learned more from rock balancing than I did from being in college actually, just about life and about myself and just developing a meditative practice so deeply. It really helps deal with any kind of uncertainty because it’s really broke down my attachment to a lot of things. Even though I’m not sure if it will work out, just the meditative practice has really boosted confidence and that feeling that it’s going to be fine.